I replied to discussion on the Biggerpockets discussion board regarding subject 2 investing and decided that I wanted to post my answer here on my blog:
I live in Los Angeles, so this example is based on deals here. I understand that there are many areas where homes do not appreciate at the rate they would in L.A..
I think of subject to houses with little or no equity as my long term holds. I would absolutely take over a house with little or no equity and stick it in a land trust depending on a couple of things:
1. Area - is it a decent to good area that will go up in value when this market crash is over - say 5,7, 10 years from now?
2. Is the monthly PITI able to be covered in lease option/owner financing with a minimum of $200 bucks cash flow (more is better obviously).
3. Is the owner willing to hold the loan for at least 5,7,10 years?
If I put someone in the house with owner financing I can also bump up the equity and the monthly payment.
For instance:
FMV: 150K - today
Loan: 140-150K - Fixed - not adjustable.
PITI: 900-1000
For owner financing: I can get 1200-1500 a month for this property depending on the
neighborhood and get a down of 5,10, 20% (or more!) from my buyers now.
Sell the property at $175-200 (depending on area) to be cashed out in 5-7 years.
Goal: Have 30-50 (or more! yahoo!) of these homes in 5-7 years that start cashing out.
Remember this is just a portion of the long term subject-to holds. You will also have sub-to's that have decent equity now, and any other properties you buy such as REO houses that you would be holding. (additionally if you are doing a lot of marketing, you will get a hold of some houses that you might just wholesale or even be able to retail out now- that is if anyone could get a loan.)
Additionally some of these folks may cash out before 5 years. If the house only goes up "only" 20-25K - so what. You got a decent deposit up front and several hundred dollars cash flow and you weren't a landlord.
I know there are a lot of very experienced and long time investors that would beg to differ about getting homes with little or no equity - however I really do think it boils down to knowing your exit strategy on the property before you even make the deal. Make sure you know your area. Never take a deal just for the sake of having a deal.
I've turned down plently of "deals" that had no equity simply because they didn't fit my formula and exit strategy. It only took me 2 years to learn this...the hard way!!
So what do you think? I have taken the house over with no money out of pocket. Am I being too risky here?